I was listening to one of the debates between Obahma and Clinton. There was nothing else on TV.
Clinton wants to force everyone to have to have health insurance just like has been done for auto insurance.
Think about that just for a second……..
Ok now do we really think anyone is going to fix the health system as it stands? No they won’t because there is too much money to be had. Oh Aj will die along with many others? Well do they really care? Nope otherwise they wouldn’t have already let the insurance companies have the control they have by declaring who will get what treatments.

Now understand I hear what you are saying and to be very honest I have not liked any of the candidates for president in over 20 years.
They can say whatever they want to get elected but following through is something that just hasn’t been done yet.

Also I know what you are saying about not having healthcare. Believe me I know!

[…] freekee added an interesting post today (If you vote republican you are a murderer!).Here’s a little bit of it:The only way that he is still alive is because we get state sponsored health insurance through Healthy Starts Healthy Family, but guess what, the way things stand right now we will lose that coverage in 3 years. … […]

Rhiannon,
If you look deeper into her plan what you see is something much more thought out. What you pay for your health insurance will be based on your income, everyone will have universal coverage, i.e. no such thing as a pre existing condition or denial of treatment. Yes I agree the insurance companies have to much control, and it is the fault of these hmos that you cannot afford treatment without insurance, that’s why something has to be done NOW, to stop it. People like my husband are dying everyday because healthcare is almost inacessible in our country now. People like you are suffering because they can only be treated for what their insurance company will pay for, it is time that these decisions were taken away from corporate america, and healthcare was made universal and accessible for everyone.

You Go Girl! I know what your talking about!If it werent for my insurance I’d be dead too!If not dead id be severly disabled to where i would want to be dead!I’m a Dem so u dont have to worry about me!Republicans suck!

[quote]Rhiannon,
If you look deeper into her plan what you see is something much more thought out. What you pay for your health insurance will be based on your income, everyone will have universal coverage, i.e. no such thing as a pre existing condition or denial of treatment. Yes I agree the insurance companies have to much control, and it is the fault of these hmos that you cannot afford treatment without insurance, that’s why something has to be done NOW, to stop it. People like my husband are dying everyday because healthcare is almost inacessible in our country now. People like you are suffering because they can only be treated for what their insurance company will pay for, it is time that these decisions were taken away from corporate america, and healthcare was made universal and accessible for everyone.
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I can’t argue with what you have said but I can’t go with Clinton because her track record is too bad from in the past.
Not saying I am voting repub. I don’t vote for the party I vote for the person.

Did you know thT United Healthcare cheated the government out of money I think in 2004? All they had to do was pay it back. Now does that sound like something that should have been done? If that was you or me we would have been in jail for a long time.

Yes insurance companies have way too much control but like my father always said let the government get in there and it will really be fucked up. (I seem to be using the f word a lot tonight sorry. Just some things really piss me off)

The things is, and Freekee, I understand your siuation, but the whole government ran healthcare is unconstitutional. It CAN however, but ran at the state level to provide coverage.

You have to look at other nations that have socialized medical. 6-12 months for a stint or biopsy. Sometimes 6 years for a life or death surgury. In England, they are pulling thier own teeth out, rather than wait a month for the dentist.

The Idea of free medical (which really isn’t free, you’re gonna pay taxes out the ass) is nice, but the practice of it will make the situation worse. Plus, with medicare/medicade, and all the other programs that exist now, the government pays for %50 of the medical in this nation already.

I understand what you’re saying Judas, but when it comes down to the life of someone you love, tell me then how you feel about it.

Judas,
I too do see your point. However, the reason why people have to wait so long to see a doctor in places such as the UK is not because of Universal Healthcare, it is because there is a shortage on healthcare providers (ie.,Doctors and dentists). The UH system is fine, there are other countries that use the same system; it is just the the UK fails to produce a sufficient amount of doctors to supplement(sp) the number of patients residing in the UK. The UK is now begging Dentists and Doctors to move there to work.
I personally believe that UH is the way to go in the US but it will take many years for that dream to become reality. One thing that the US could do at the moment is allow those of us who cannot afford legitimate prescriptions (more than just an antibiotic) in the US to go to Canada and buy what we need. Not only would it help those who need the prescriptions but it would also help the economies of Canada and the US at the same time. Paying $100.00 a pop for such a small amount of medicines or each doctors visit is not helping anybody. There are people out there that need these medicines or need to go to the doctor and refuse to because they have to put food on their tables or keep the electric on. What kind of country lets that happen to its people?

JadeMystique

“However, the reason why people have to wait so long to see a doctor in places such as the UK is not because of Universal Healthcare, it is because there is a shortage on healthcare providers (ie.,Doctors and dentists). The UH system is fine, there are other countries that use the same system; it is just the the UK fails to produce a sufficient amount of doctors to supplement(sp) the number of patients residing in the UK. The UK is now begging Dentists and Doctors to move there to work.”

With UH, the medicine will me rationed, just like it is in the UK AND Canada, and every other nation that has UH. People come to the US by the millions from nations that have UH. And about the shortange of doctors, the UK is tiny. Here, we have 300 million (not all of them here legaly) people here…that’s 300 million in the emergency rooms and doctors offices.

“One thing that the US could do at the moment is allow those of us who cannot afford legitimate prescriptions (more than just an antibiotic) in the US to go to Canada and buy what we need. Not only would it help those who need the prescriptions but it would also help the economies of Canada and the US at the same time. ”

I agree. Also, what most people don’t know is, most pharmasudical(sp) companies, if you can prove your financial status, will help you with the price, if not just give it to you. Also, if you can find a doctor that has a license for pharmacy, they’ll give you medicine for free. As for hosptials, if you can prove your financial situation, they will write off the bill, and you won’t have to pay it. Also due to all the frivilus law suits and tort reform, that’s why prices are high. Malpractice is expensive, and so is the insurance for it.

“There are people out there that need these medicines or need to go to the doctor and refuse to because they have to put food on their tables or keep the electric on. What kind of country lets that happen to its people?”

See above.

Freekee,
Here is something that you might be interested in. It is about a woman in Charleston, WV.

http://www.wsaz.com/news/headlines/16696066.html

Thanks for the link. It is a very sad state of reality in our country. One of the things that bothers me is we have no problem giving universal health care to people that are here from another country. If you get an application from department of jobs and family services you will see a section on it listing everything that you have to provide to prove your eligibility, when you get to the end of the list you find out that these things only apply to U.S. citizens, if you are not a citizen you do not have to prove eligibility. Also, an adult in our country is only eligible if they have children under the age of 5, but that is only if they are a U.S. citizen, not having citizenship status automatically qualifies you, and they are not allowed to ask you if you are here legally or not. It’s a sad state when we are more worried about taking care of everyone else than our own. That would be like me feeding my neighbors child while letting mine starve to death.

I feel for you. My sister has endometryosis (sp) and she tried to apply for medicare after she divorced her husband. She was in school full time and worked part time and couldnt afford a shot that cost her $500 per month. This shot was the only thing keeping her from being wheel chair bound and in a constant state of pain so intense she couldnt go over a speed bump in a car without crying. They denied her. They said she didnt qualify for medicare. So because she wasnt from another country with 5 kids she couldnt get the insurance she desperatly needs. She scrounges money together, normally by asking for it from our uncle, just to get a shot to help her function through her life. My sister is only 25. I understand your irritation with the HMOs and the insurance companies. I have insurance through the military and I hate it. I finally found a doctor that uses the loop holes in military medicine to help me but before I was fed up. I think that medical needs are exactly that NEEDS and should be free. It seems in America that medical treatment is a privilage not a right, and that needs to change. Blessings to you and AJ.

It won’t be free though.

Also, like I said, for the Fed to do it is unconstitutional.

I think what is important to note (as Judas pointed out) is that the social welfare system in Europe isn’t as dandy as we Americans fantasize - it’s failing terribly - for several reasons: cost (this initially was alleviated by the fact Europe did not have major military expenditures, but this is changing slowly - you can thank EU membership and primacy regulations), and the fact the industry is controlled by the government - which is far from efficient. We DO have the best medical care in the world - free does not equal good or accessible. Individuals who need specialized care come to the US. Moreover (I’m getting ready to publish on this), medical benefits are being denied to those who have particular genetic markers - this being in Holland and Norway - Denmark is about ready to jump on the bandwagon, so is Iceland, and Canada is considering.

I deeply worry about AJ. I cannot imagine the stress - both financial and emotional - this causes you, honey. I worry about these same things, but the current systems that are in use now, whether the US or European, are failing. I do not know what the answer is - I agree that in cases of great need, like AJ, there should be exceptions. Let me ask you this: Is he eligible for permanent disability? Also, isn’t he eligible for VA benefits? Of course, I do not know what avenues you have gone down - and usually to get these benefits you have to hand over your first born, a tit, and a testicle….